Nicholas ([info]nhw) wrote,
@ 2005-12-06 08:30:00
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Uncelebrated anniversary
Today is St Nicholas' day, Sinterklaas, in Belgium; F left his own shoe, and a shoe for each of his sisters, by the chimney last night, with a carrot for the saint's horse in each shoe, and a letter he had written. (He worried a bit about the fact that neither of his sisters had written a letter, but we assured him that the saint would understand.)

And when he got up this morning there were no carrots left, but biscuits and oranges for each child, and a mysterious box - which in F's case contained a rather nice dragon puppet. He was delighted with it.

Today is also the day on which the Finnish Parliament declared independence from Russia in 1917, and the day on which the Spanish people approved their new constitution in a referendum in 1978, and is celebrated as a national holiday in both countries.

I have always found it odd that another anniversary today is not celebrated. On this day in 1921, the British and Irish negotiators led by Arthur Griffith and Michael Collins on the Irish side, and Lloyd George and Winston Churchill on the British side, signed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. Precisely a year later, in 1922, the provisions of the Treaty came into force, and the Irish Free State became independent. Indeed, for a few hours there was in fact a 32-county independent Irish state, until the Northern Ireland Parliament exercised its right to opt out later that afternoon. In the meantime, of course, Griffith had died and Collins had been killed in the Civil War.

It is often forgotten that the immediate consequences for British politics were also pretty serious; during those twelve months a revolt by what is now called (in memory of the event) the 1922 Committee, ie Conservative back-benchers, had ejected Lloyd George and his fellow negotiators from power, in the case of Lloyd George never to return, triggering a general election. There would be two more elections and three more changes of prime minister in the next two years.

However, the politically traumatic circumstances of the Treaty negotiation, and the ambiguous quality of the Irish Free State's independence, I guess were sufficient to prevent this important anniversary from ever being celebrated. Ireland's national holiday remains 17 March. Which I supppose is sensible enough; the weather is usually better.



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[info]minny
2005-12-06 12:17 pm UTC (link)
So in a word, it's Ireland's independence day?

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[info]nhw
2005-12-06 01:17 pm UTC (link)
Yep.

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If only it were that simple...
[info]ceemage
2005-12-06 01:43 pm UTC (link)
Depending on your political viewpoint, you could equally argue the case for 24 April 1916 (Easter Rising), 21 January 1919 (1st Dail), 29 December 1937 (coming into force of the de Valera constitution for Eire) or 18 April 1949 (coming into force of the Irish Republic). From a legalistic point of view, you could certainly argue that the state that came into existence in 1922 ceased to exist again on one of those last two dates.

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Re: If only it were that simple...
[info]nhw
2005-12-06 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, but the US still celebrates the independence declaration of 1776, never mind that it predates botht he Articles of Confederation and the current Constitution!

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Re: If only it were that simple...
[info]ceemage
2005-12-06 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but the nearest analogy to Anglo-Irish Treaty for our colonial cousins was the Treaty of Paris, recognising U.S. independence in 1783. And I'm not aware of any mass celebrations in the U.S.A. to commemorate 3rd September each year (except when it co-incides anyway with Labor Day, natch).

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Re: If only it were that simple...
[info]slimmeroftheyea
2005-12-07 12:43 am UTC (link)
I think we should celebrate them all

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[info]mylescorcoran
2005-12-06 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Lovely description of Sinterklaas. I'm quite partial to dragon puppets too. My current icon is a cuddly dragon we have at home called Scorch, and I saw a great Chinese dragon puppet in a toy shop in Cork last weekend with independently controllable googly eyes. It was, unfortunately, €135.

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[info]ianmcdonald
2005-12-06 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Any excuse for an extra public holiday is always welcome...

I also have a theory that everyone should have their saints day off as a statutory right. (is it me, or are there a couple of countries that do that, or a least give presents?).

The lack of celebration about Irish Independence, I reckon, is to do with the fact that it wasn't seen as total independence --(qv subsequent civil war(s)).

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St. Patrick's Day
[info]ceemage
2005-12-06 05:53 pm UTC (link)
It's always a good way to wind up right-wing newspaper leader writers to point out that, even in England, more people usually celebrate St. Patrick's Day than St. George's Day. But this is mainly because St. Patrick seems to have become the de facto patron saint of going out and getting drunk, rather than any resurgence in Irish nationalism.

I remember at college, we had once an Australia Day Social and ended up with aboriginal land rights protestors outside. As far as we were concerned, it was just an excuse for the bar to sell Fosters at 50p a pint...

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[info]eimear_rose
2005-12-06 06:56 pm UTC (link)
We had Gluehwein and Lebkuchen in oral class to celebrate, at 10 o clock in the morning, and it was the real stuff, urrrrgh. Actually, though, it was quite alright, even that early!

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[info]jacobsmills
2005-12-06 09:17 pm UTC (link)
There seems to be moves afoot (according to Bertie Ahern a few weeks ago) to start celebrating the Rising a bit more actively from next year.

It did fall into a bit of a decline since the 50th anniversary in 1966

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